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nigo
17/09/2008, 16:12
Top 10 ways to become a better CoH player


The following list is a countdown including some of the best ways to become a better player at Company of Heroes and a lot of advice runs through to other rts games and gaming in general. From the most basic things you can do to improve your game listed (from 10th), right down to advice that will help you a much larger amount (to 1st), there is something included for players of all skill levels.

If you are in need of help and find that your game isn't improving much, the following article may be a great read for you. If you're already well established as a player and win most games with ease then you may want to skip to some parts that will interest you more. Regardless the aim I had when writing this was to give advice to all players in CoH in the hope it would improve your game and ultimately help you to become a better CoH player.


10: Know all the armies

One of the basic rules in any rts is to be familiar with every army in the game, this means not only playing against every faction but playing AS every faction. This will teach you the strengths and weaknesses of all armies in the game, which abilities work great and which ones don't work very good at all.

Often players can be fixated on playing only as one army and focusing purely on that faction so they can get better and better at it. However this can also be a disadvantage as you're not able to see how other players play as this certain army and counter certain strategies, you only have yourself to compare to. On the other hand if you play as most armies and are very familiar with them all, you'll learn the best strategies in the game and what to do in certain situations much easier.

If you're not able to counter a certain strategy/unit combination, simply play as that army, use it against someone else and see if they are able to counter it, then learn from how they played. It's an excellent way to get better with your main chosen army, by playing all of the armies in the game.



9: Know the shortcuts/tactical map

Shortcuts are a pretty basic tool to use in any rts games, Company of Heroes is no different. Learn some of the most regularly used shortcuts in the game and you WILL find yourself performing simple actions much faster ingame. For example you might scroll to your 25 Pounder Howitzer, then click on it and select bombard, return to the action and select the target, this takes quite a lot of actions and isn't efficient or fast. In the same situation with hotkeys/shortcuts, all you need do is hover your pointer over the area that needs to be targeted, press #5 (manual hotkey for artillery), b (for bombard) and click the ground, 10x faster.

The tactical map is also a great way to perform actions faster ingame. Instead of having to scroll all over the map clicking each strategy point for a unit to capture, all you need do is open the tactical map, hold down the shift key and continue to select every point you would like captured on the map. This can be done anytime in the game and is a great way to speed up strategic point capturing. The mini-map is also an amazing tool for rts games and should always be used to quickly scroll to different parts of the map (if a hotkey isn't available).



8: Play multiplayer/automatch regularly

This pretty much goes without saying for most players, you're not going to learn anything at all from comp stomping or playing against much worse players in custom games/noob-bashing. High win percentages and basic stats do not make a player any better or worse. The more you play automatch with other players or basic matches with good players that you can learn from, the better you will become at the game and the more you will learn.

That said, it's also important to know when to take a break from playing. If you've found yourself on a losing streak or aren't playing as good as usual, it's wise to take a break and either come back later in the day, in a few days time or maybe longer. Often a lost game will put off most players and make them play worse, but if you are playing great and were simply beaten by someone marginally better, then simply learn from it and keep on playing.



7: Use hotkeys

Hotkeys can be assigned to any unit or building in the game simply by pressing ctrl+number while the unit is selected. They are the best micro tool in the entire game as you're able to split up squads/units and move certain groups at an instant without having to go looking for them through the whole map. Having a unit hotkeyed will allow you to zoom straight to the unit by double pressing the hotkey, this is extremely useful for zooming straight to the action of a battle or in and out of it at will. Vehicles that have their own hotkey can be micro'd much easier and ordered to parts of the map at an instant, if multiple vehicles have hotkeys it's much easier to micro all of them to flank other vehicles.

Just like shortcuts, hotkeys will allow you to perform tasks at will, something that took a long time to do before will simply be a reflex action once you master the art of using hotkeys and shortcuts in combination. In any one game it's likely you'll be changing around unit hotkeys often as the game progresses, for example you may assign a jeep to your vehicle hotkey which may be number 5, then later an m8 to that number, and then a sherman or a pershing. Keep your most powerful units hotkeyed while weaker units can afford to not have their own hotkey or be grouped with other less important units.



6: Reviews/Shoutcasts and advice

Reviews are a great way of learning what you did better or worse in a game and how to improve your play. Posting replays in the CoH Replay System will allow you to get your game reviewed and critiqued by replay reviewers, or anyone that happens to like reviewing games. The idea is that your biggest mistakes and best tactical decisions are highlighted so that you know where to improve and what you are already doing better so that you can improve on it and become a better player.

Shoutcasts are equally as helpful as players with better knowledge of the game can share their experiences in the same situations and explain how to have a successful outcome. Listening to shoutcasts of other replays is also a great way to learn more as you're hearing why certain things happen and reasons behind the tactical decisions made in the game. You can also simply ask someone who is extremely good at the game how to counter certain unit combinations or strategies that you just aren't having any luck against. This often offers a fresh perspective and instead of tripping over the same hurdles, will allow you to find a solution and hopefully overcome your problem.



5: Get mentored

The mentoring project has been around since the early days of Company of Heroes and still goes on to this day, it involves good/expert players taking part and becoming the 'mentors' while other players who would like to improve their game will have the roll of 'mentee'. It's possible to be both at the same time, for example a rank 5 player may learn a lot from a rank 10 player, while the rank 10 player can learn quite a lot from a rank 15 player, everyone has something to teach and experience to share on the way up.

Mentoring is usually done in a topic on the forums in which you can share replays and strategy talk with your mentor and ask questions about why you lost and what you could have done better. Communication through ventrilo or any voice software is also popular as is instant messaging between mentors/mentees. This is simply a chance to have a permanent contact that you can ask strategy advice from, play with regularly and have them watch your replays. Take this opportunity whenever you can and also offer your own advice and experience to other players as well.



4: Practice makes perfect if you practice perfectly

You know that saying practice makes perfect, but it's not entirely true. You may see some players in rts games with over 5000 games played, but they still have a horrid rating and lose games regularly even after constantly playing the game so much. On the other hand you may see a player with just 300-500 games in the top 10 and this isn't by chance. The more you play a game, naturally the better you will get at it, but there's only so much you can play before you hit a wall and can't get any better unless you seek more methods and tools to use in battle rather than playing more and more and more.

People that have such a huge amount of games but aren't seeing any improvement in their play clearly aren't using the right strategies or trying to improve their game. In order for practice to make perfect, you need to practice perfectly by using the correct strategies, hotkeys, shortcuts, the tactical map and watching other players replays for a fresh point of view. If you keep practicing the wrong tactics and not improving your game, you're practicing to lose.



3: Read strategy guides/strategy info

One of the most important parts of playing in rts games is knowing the best strategies and reading strategy guides written from some of the games top players, they often know exactly what they're talking about when it comes to the game. You could have amazing micro and be performing actions at blinding speed, which is great, but it all means nothing if you don't have a solid and confident strategy to go along with it. Experts often beat players who are faster than them and who are able to perform actions much faster ingame, simply because they are using a better strategy and know that despite losing a few units here and their, the overall strategic play will eventually win the game.

Strategies and build orders are the fundamental part of playing rts games and reward the best players who are able to think up the most unique and greatest strategies in a game. For example I know before I even go into a game as the u.s that i'm going to be making 4 rifle squads, not 3 or 5, I will create 4 because that is my strategy. Next i'm going to create a motor pool and make an m8 followed by airborne paratroopers. I've already planned what i'm going to do within the first 10 minutes of the game, and it hasn't even started yet. Make sure you have the right strategy and know what you're going to do before the game starts, in addition the more you learn in games the better you will know what to do in certain 'uncounterable' situations.



2: Watch top/expert replays

Replays are the single best feature of rts games as they allow even the newest players in the game to see how the very top players are playing against each other. What strategies are these top players using, how are they managing their units and what are they building at what time of the game? All is revealed by simply watching replays and learning from them. If you can't counter something then watch an expert player counter it, then adapt that into your play. Copy the best strategies and build orders from the best players in the game and use them in your own games to steamroll the competition and get the edge.

Replays can speak a thousand words and often players will prefer simply watching a replay pack and observing how a top ranked player performs a strategy rather than reading a strategy guide. The more replays you watch from top players in the game, the more you will learn not only how they counter certain unit combinations and tough strategies, but how they adapt to what's going on and win games when a situation seems impossible to come back from. If you want to start getting good at a game and fast, download replays from the best players in the game, watch their replay packs, copy the strategies and build orders they are using and implement/adapt them into your own play style. Remember practice only makes perfect if you're practicing perfectly.



1: Having the right state of mind

One of the best quotes for having the right state of mind in any game and being able to get better without having to worry about losing or playing horribly, "you only get smarter by playing a smarter opponent". This quote embodies everything you will need to tackle on the psychological side of CoH. First you will have to accept that you are not the best player out there and likely won't ever be, but that you CAN use that fact towards your advantage. The great thing is by having so many people better than you, it means there is a massive amount of people and talent to learn from and the more you play against these talented, experienced players the better you are going to become.

Tap into the best players in the game and learn from every game you play to become better, if someone performs better in a game or outplayed you, it's an opportunity to learn from that game and how they played, this way you can adapt that into your future games. If you steam rolled someone with ease within 10 minutes, you're not going to learn anything at all and it will often be a waste of time. If you strive to play against the best players in the game and take on the best challenges then you're going to learn more, get smarter and ultimately become a better player. This is why seeking to learn and become better is a much more important state of mind to have, not winning.

A big problem in the way of many players is the fear of losing games when they go into them, automatch games you play seeking to win but don't come out successful will be a let down and make your play worse rather than better. Whereas if you go into a game seeking to learn and get better, invite a challenge with the hope that you'll get something out of it, there's no way of losing. This is one of the main points that causes things like drophacking and cheating to happen in games, performing these actions or like I said before steam rolling a worse player is not going to make you better at the game, it's more likely to make you worse. Hoping to earn respect by having a high rank and winning lots of games is not the best state of mind to have when playing rts or any game for that matter. Trying to get better at games by welcoming a challenge and constantly trying to play against the best players to learn something new is an excellent way to get better.

BobCuspe
17/09/2008, 16:44
Valeu Nigo... muito bom!

armocore
19/09/2008, 11:44
o nigo presta um serviço de auxilio publico com estes post, hehe.

abraço.

SuperSoca
22/09/2008, 14:14
Essas dicas muito boas por sinal valem pra qualquer RTS.
Atenção especial pra dica número 1 (a ultima).
Eu pessoalmente acho a competição nos RTS's muito mais "fortes" do que qualquer outro gênero. E conheço muita gente que para de jogar um determinado RTS, e que começa jogando BEM muitas vezes, mas simplesmente porque começa a perder e acaba desistindo. Não tem a resistência mental necessária para jogar.

RTS é pros fodas. :cool:

BobCuspe
22/09/2008, 19:21
Eu me encontro no seguinte estágio:

já enfrento o computador no Expert. Em alguns mapas eu ganho, em outros eu perco feio. Comecei a ver os replays dos meus jogos e percebi que independente do exército que eu escolha, o adversário sempre consegue produzir 'veículos' BEM mais rápido do que eu. E essa é a explicação pra perder tão rápido quando enfrento um jogador no lugar do computador. E vendo os replays, eu percebo que o computador é MUITO burro pq a maioria dos tanques fica parada lá no HQ ou no Victory Point. Ou seja, mesmo ele sendo burro eu ainda ganho algumas vezes. Isso tem me deixado intrigado. Se não fosse tão cabeça dura já teria desistido. Mas prefiro continuar tentando.

nigo
22/09/2008, 20:15
Eu me encontro no seguinte estágio:

já enfrento o computador no Expert.


esquece o skirmish e passa logo para o Automatch 1x1

escolhe um dos exercitos para começar a jogar, leia as dicas desse exercito la no guia de estrategias q coloquei e mãos a luta

INFIEL
23/09/2008, 01:30
Essas dicas muito boas por sinal valem pra qualquer RTS.
Atenção especial pra dica número 1 (a ultima).
Eu pessoalmente acho a competição nos RTS's muito mais "fortes" do que qualquer outro gênero. E conheço muita gente que para de jogar um determinado RTS, e que começa jogando BEM muitas vezes, mas simplesmente porque começa a perder e acaba desistindo. Não tem a resistência mental necessária para jogar.

RTS é pros fodas. :cool:
Nem sempre a pessoa para de jogar RTS so porque esta perdendo...
Antigamente no lançamento do COH existia...
*Snake(Eu), Yury, DrZero, Navar,Ozores,Leonardo e todos da Velha Guarda
E continuam jogando so que eu ESTUPRAVA a todos(Pode perguntar pra qualquer um que citei acima), porem parei, PQ?
Simples motivos
*Desbalanceamento com os patchs...
*Perdeu a graça...
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Mas eu sempre apareço de vez em quando so pra rever os Aliados
Agora sinceramente os TOP PRO Gamers no COH tem vida normal?
Nunca terão!!! Perderam o Status Social da vida man...
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RTS como RPG nesse caso de mente fraca, pode acabar com a pessoa
O que considero um PRO GAMER não e aqueles que sempre vencem e ficam no topo da lista entre os TOP 10, porque vencer milhões de vezes não o faz de voce o auge da perfeição, ver no escuro não o faz tem visão aguçada,porque voce pode sempre estar PREPARADO mas nunca estaras PRONTO!!! E um PRO GAMER pra mim considero e aquele que ja tem o instinto de não vencedor mas de Perdedor, porque e mais dificil levantar quando voce cai, do que ser carregado pelas vitorias....

Ozores
23/09/2008, 01:39
Poeta esse Snake hein!!!!!!!

Concordo com o que ele diz, só discordando que pra ser um PRO PLAYER vc não terá vida social. Qdo vc atinge o nível de PRO em qualquer jogo, vc não vai precisar ficar mais 5...6....até 10 horas na frente do micro jogando. Vc jogará 5...6 automatchs e vencerá, na pior das hipóteses, 4 deles se pegar outros PRO como vc.

Não quero ser um PRO player, mesmo pq não tenho tempo pra isso. Mas hj se tivesse esse tempo e a vontade de ser PRO escolheria um ou dois exércitos no máximo e jogaria somente com eles até conhecer eles a fundo. Com prática não se chega a perfeição em um RTS, mas fica bem próximo. Algumas derrotas te ensinam mais do que muitas vitórias, principalmente em RTS.

Mas que o Snake virou poeta.....ah virou!!!!

itaperuna_coh
23/09/2008, 04:58
Sou apaixonado por rts, joguei mt ft, mt mesmo.
Se tivesse tempo de sobra, pelo menos umas 3 horas por dia..ficaria top 15 em coh, com certeza...
Não é só treino, rola um certo talento tb.
Se não fosse assim, não teria players com 2mil jogos em automatch no lvl 7
huahauah
valew:up:

INFIEL
23/09/2008, 08:49
Sou apaixonado por rts, joguei mt ft, mt mesmo.
Se tivesse tempo de sobra, pelo menos umas 3 horas por dia..ficaria top 15 em coh, com certeza...
Não é só treino, rola um certo talento tb.
Se não fosse assim, não teria players com 2mil jogos em automatch no lvl 7
huahauah
valew:up:

Uma coisa esta certo...
(Não e só treino, existe o TALENTO!!!)
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Sobre a quantidade de pessoas isso e so uma estatistica
Apenas alimenta minhas afirmações(Desocupados hahaha) ^^

BobCuspe
23/09/2008, 16:33
Cara, falando a grosso modo, ser o bam-bam-bam em um jogo é um conjunto de fatores. Não é só talento. A técnica também conta. E técnica se adquire com dedicação (treino). Se você chegou ao topo e passa um tempo parado, você volta meio capenga mas bastam poucas partidas e o cara volta a um bom nível. Isso porque você conhece os fundamentos, os caminhos, os detalhes etc. Mas pra voltar a ser top vai precisar de treino e dedicação novamente.

Vejamos alguns exemplos. Eu passei uns 2 anos jogando CS quase todo dia. Final de semana era o dia inteiro. Tava num nível absurdo. E confesso que minha vida social ficou prejudicada porque eu me viciei no jogo. Depois joguei outros FPSs e continuei bem. Já não jogo CS Há um bom tempo. Mas de vez em quando eu entro em um servidor e bastam umas duas partidas pra ficar em primeiro na lista. Isso porque joguei tanto que simplesmente 'incorporei' como a coisa funciona.

Mas vamos sair do universo de jogos eletrônicos. Se você pegar um enxadrista top - um GrandMaster (Kasparov, karpov... até o brasileiro Mequinho que quase chegou lá) os caras didicam a vida inteira ao jogo. Até hoje o cara que é top (e profissional) passa horas do dia estudando partidas antigas, os adversários, aberturas, desenvolvimentos e fechamentos. Se não fizer isso ele será apenas um bom enxadrista. Conhecerá muito. Mas será facilmente derrotado por um bom adversário.

Se alguém aqui joga bola já deve ter presenciado aquelas partidas de casados x solteiros. Mesmo com a idade avançada, barrigas de cerveja, pouco preparo físico e pouco treino, os casados conseguem dar canseira pro cara novo e cheio de gás. Isso porque ele 'incorporou' o jogo. Mas o cara novo se destaca porque tem um preparo físico melhor, o que acaba prevalecendo nesses casos. Mas quando vc coloca dois caras com o mesmo preparo, o que tem mais técnica e que treina mais acaba vencendo o jogo.

Ou seja, ser top não é só talento. Tem a ver com conhecer o jogo a fundo, ser técnico, treinar e se dedicar. Claro que sorte de vez em quando também conta. Mas não é só isso.

SuperSoca
23/09/2008, 20:07
Nem sempre a pessoa para de jogar RTS so porque esta perdendo...
Antigamente no lançamento do COH existia...
*Snake(Eu), Yury, DrZero, Navar,Ozores,Leonardo e todos da Velha Guarda
E continuam jogando so que eu ESTUPRAVA a todos(Pode perguntar pra qualquer um que citei acima), porem parei, PQ?
Simples motivos
*Desbalanceamento com os patchs...
*Perdeu a graça...
----------------------
Mas eu sempre apareço de vez em quando so pra rever os Aliados
Agora sinceramente os TOP PRO Gamers no COH tem vida normal?
Nunca terão!!! Perderam o Status Social da vida man...
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Tá a poesia tá boa ahhahaha

Mas no caso de tu parar de jogar por desbalanceamento ou porque não achou mais graça não invalida o que eu falei, pois é uma situação diferente. To falando dos caras que perdem e desistem por isso, ou porque acham o jogo dificil.

E a questão de ser pro perder vida social não é bem assim.
Eu trabalho 8 horas por dia. Ou seja, sou PRO (em fotografia ehhhehehe). E tenho minha vida.
Se o cara treinar CoH direitinho 8 horas por dia ele pode virar PRO e será a mesma coisa ué!!! Não tem diferença.

Observe que quando eu to falando de PRO é Profissional mesmo, ganhar a vida com isso. Mas acho que no CoH não tem PRO de verdade, só no Starcraft, W3, CS é que tem.

Olha... eu já joguei Starcraft muito bem, fui teoricamente o 4º e talvez 3º do RS na WCG 2004 regional (digo teoricamente porque eu me inscrevi mas não puder ir, mas eu ganhava 95% das partidas contra o cara que ficou em 4º lugar, e uns 60% das partidas do que ficou em 3º que era do meu clã), e eu jogava apenas umas 4 horas por dia e tinha vida!!

Naquele tempo era folgada a coisa :(.