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nigo
10/07/2009, 12:23
BETA-preview Barbarossa After Action Report



A short Introduction

Barbarossa; the big one. At HOI2 divisional level this was already a tedious job altough a fun one; I honestly can’t count the times I have invaded Redsky land over the past years. Earlier this year I did a PBEM game of the TOAW mod Fire in the East. That one might very well be the most humongous game you can find. I loved it a lot as Hoi2 let me down on one point, sheer scale. With HOI3 it doesn’t anymore.

My rough guess of the number of divisions involved on the Soviet side is 300. We are talking about 1941 so, how many will there be in ’44 and ’45? A thousand? +? If that’s the case HOI3 will be fairly close in scale to FITE (about half the size). But, with the added advantage of having an AI, additional depth, worldwide war, unit building...well, much more. Most important probably....some AI aid if you need it on the corps and army level. I won’t use the later very much, except for some defence. This because I want to play this game like a supersized HOI2.

Right, some notes before I start. This will be a strictly Gameplay-AAR, something I didn’t do since...well 2005 or something http://battlecentral.xpg.com.br/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif. I don’t use sprites, as I like counters better. They give a little more info and make me feel like being a general-staff or Stavka general.
Another thing, no screeny requests. In this AAR I want to show you the game as it progresses so I don’t go over to Argentina to show the provinces.
One last thing: this AAR will end eventually. I play with a BETA preview version from April or May. At that time the game wasn’t quite finished nor was it optimized. And thus I will experience CTD’s, which can’t be avoided after a certain time. I don’t know how far into the game but I won’t be able to play on when it happens. Ok, let’s get this thing rolling, enjoy!



- Chapter one: Reorganisation (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9819669&postcount=2)
- Chapter two: Stavka’s orders part I (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9820697&postcount=82)



Chapter one: Reorganisation

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When the game is loaded I first go into the diplo screen. I am at war with the Axis, three of which are bordering me. Apparently I have a truce with the Finnish, I didn’t expect this actually, had the impression they were in it from the start. Even so I won’t leave the Finnish border unguarded as they are bound to come in later on. Several divisions of mine are stationed on their side of the border.
The Japanese are part of the Axis but not willing to fight me as of yet.
Then I have no friends at the moment, except for those who are with me because I treat them badly. But the won’t be of any use at all.

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First things first. I need to get my government and laws organised, make sure I improve my army by researching some new techs and most important of all; build some new divisions to replace the inevitable losses of the Blitzkrieg.
Two ministers are fired and two new ones appointed in their place, 20% more supplies and a higher organisation regain rate are the benefits of this change.
Four changes in law are made as well. I want my industry to focus on supply and more IC to build stuff. Anything to keep the war-economy rolling.

The army is reorganised as well. I don’t want to wait 20% longer, we want the troops trained and in the field as quickly as possible. Next to that I want a lot of them. So the 1-year draft period is extended to three.

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Choosing in which field to spend my tech points wasn’t hard at all. I will focus on soft and hard defence. As I only have 75% of the necessary officers and I will build a lot new units straight away I will have to focus primarily on educating as much new officers as possible however. This will limit the points I can spend on my techs.

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I order my spies to focus on disrupting German production, anything to slow them down during the initial stages of the invasion. At my side of the border we will focus on counter-espionage.

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Then we have production. Already I have decided to focus on the quantity of troops. I will take this a step further by recruiting a dozen cheap and quick units to fill the gaps with. Half of them being garrisons with which to anchor my new defensive line once I have fallen back further to the east. For example: a ring of garrisons around Kiev. The second part will consist of militia units. I know they aren’t strong and won’t be able to withstand a German division but when it comes to the numbers I might still win with them. Next to these twelve quick divisions 15 regular infantry division are being build. Half of them will consist of three brigades of infantry; the other half will have an added brigade of artillery for some more punch.
With these new units I will hopefully be able to stop the German onslaught.

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Chapter two: Stavka’s orders part I



After setting up the organisational part of my country it is time to look at the disposition of the Soviet army. Our army is large but badly positioned and I doubt the quality of the troops, not to speak of the quality of the divisions which will be build shortly due to my decisions. Remember the game is still paused which it will be for the remainder of this chapter as well.

The Soviet troops are split up in three parts. Slightly over a third of the troops are dug in on the border, the Western-Front. The second part of the divisions are stationed around important points just east of the Stalin Line. Then there is the remainder of the troops, which are much further to the east on the line Moscow, Georgia. To the north and south we also have the Leningrad and Caucasus fronts. The later will have to release several Corps to stiffen the Stalin line, the Leningrad front will defend the old capital and the vital port of Murmansk.

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Next step is the reorganisation of the main line of defence. To the south I will attempt to hold back the Rumanian and German troops assailing Odessa. I don’t expect the immediate frontline to hold so I order the three corps in Odessa to create a ring of defences around the city. I choose to position the main defence here a bit closer to the city itself so the divisions won’t have to march as far and will have more time to dig in (maximum of 10 days).
The armoured and mechanical divisions of Odessa Front’s mechanized corps are send further to the west in order to protect the unavoidable open flank.

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To the west of Odessa, all the way to the Carpathians there is this huge gap in the line. Bad news is I don’t have the troops to defend it right now, they will have to be brought in from the Crimea. The good side is my enemy in this part of the front is only a bunch of rather slow Rumanian troops.
The current plan is not to stop them until they are will within the borders and then attack them in the flank with motorized and armoured divisions.

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A bit further to the west my entire line on the Hungarian and Southern Polish front are either withdrawn or strategically moved to the rear in an attempt to create a coherent defence on the Stalin line.

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The central part of the line surprised me when I saw the Pripjet Marshes were actually woods and fields instead of marshes. I sure hope this will be something we only see in the Beta as it is one of the most important strategic terrain futures of Russia. From Orsha the 13th army fans out to create a defensive line from Wilno to Lida. In the north this will not be the final defensive position, as I will fall back on Vitsyebsk and Orsha later on in concert with my defences to the south.
This is the first time I order a Corps to defend a certain position instead of sending the divisions there myself.

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Harpia
10/07/2009, 19:45
Muito bom.

nigo
11/07/2009, 13:52
Chapter three: Stavka’s orders part II




The Pripjet marshes will be defended with small forces and roadblocks. Here I have the advantage of terrain, I have a lot of it and will be able to fall back to the Dnjepr and the Polotsk landbridge (not sure how this future is named). I will thus leave all of Lithaunia to the Germans after only some general resistance, only defending Minsk and the river lines. Once I have build up my forces I will strike back at them. That’s the main plan, the big picture, however. For now, I am struggling to keep the Germans at bay long enough to build the intended defences.

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A defensive position is created just south of the river Niemen, It’s flanks resting on the river to the north and the swamps to the south. The force should be strong enough to hold the Germans while the Western-front conducts a fighting withdraw to and through its position. They will move on towards Minsk and dig in.

One of the first battles fought on June 22nd is the one for the fortified town of Brest-Litovsk. An armoured corps has dug in but due to a command hick-up there is not enough infantry to support the force. As a consequence the corps will be badly mauled and the fortress premature lost.
This part of the front is hit most severely on the early morning of the 22nd. Several powerful attacks throw my troops back. Strong as they are they are not strong enough to hold back the German forces.
A fighting withdrawal is conducted all across the sector.

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Further to the north the last bit of the Western Front, its flank is in the air, is almost non-existent. Here the Soviet troops first line of defence is set around Riga and on the Dvina river. A handful of divisions will be attempting to slow down the German hordes but no miracles are to be expected. Provinces are lost in quick succession and I just know it will take a whole lot of fighting to retake them later on (the stability of this Beta will probably not last until that point).

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The Soviet Airforce, while not being the powerful force I wish it to be, is in reasonable shape. I have about three dozen units, which are grouped in eight ‘fleets’. Three fighter division will intercept Luftwaffe forces over the Western Front while three fleets composed of various types of bombers will interdict and attack the enemy forces. I will use them to disrupt attacks by ground attack and slow the enemy down by interdiction.
More to the north the seventh unit will perform both roles at once.
Main target for these air-fleets will be the two German spearheads. The northern one obviously aimed at Riga and Minsk, the southern at Kiev straight through the Stalin line. Planes operate above Odessa as well.

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Guderian
11/07/2009, 15:03
Caralho, muito foda...

Sr. Bison
12/07/2009, 00:06
A AAR, fornece algumas informações interessantes, mas eu acho esse jogador um noob padrão, das AARs, mesmo sem ver a o HOI 3. Ele nem pensa em gaming the game ...

Acho que por isso que os caras não deixaram ninguém daqui testar o jogo, bah !

nigo
12/07/2009, 22:19
Bison,


é uma AAR para apresentar o jogo mesmo

e nao fomos chamados por causa do alto indice de pirateiros por aqui :lol:

nigo
12/07/2009, 22:58
Chapter four: Leningrad and Murmansk



For some reason several of my divisions were still inside Finish borders. Not that I mend as I will then have a bit more depth for my defence and a good advance warning system. Good, the Leningrad front is a strong front, several strong armies in a good defensive position and fortifications on the main approaches to Peter’s old capital.

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Further down the line, to the north, however, my defences aren’t as strong.
Only a single weak corps protects the Murmansk line, which will be vital due to the Lend-Lease pact with the Allies.

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At Murmansk itself a sizable force is stationed, which will be shortly reinforced by the two NKVD divisions I found in Archangelsk. The Finish are still neutral and only eyeing us from their trenches just across the border but the German forces in Finland attack straight away. The first move to the Murmansk rail line is thwarted quickly but if they build up some more forces for a second attempt I won’t come away as easy. I will need more troops here.

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From Leningrad the Baltic fleet is sent out to patrol the Gulf of Finland. Even though it is of no use in the beta as there is no Naval AI yet.
From Moscow two armies and the Stavka reserves move west (strategic movenemt) to take up positions in the Dnjepr area. They will be my new reserves for the Stalin line, which isn’t finished yet. Although several divisions are send on to fill threatened gaps straight away. The worst of these is the gap in the front west of Odessa, Rumanian troops are pouring through.
At this moment idle divisions are called in from the Far East as well. Once they arrive they can create positions around Kiev and Minsk, moving the other reserves to the front. I will also need a reserve east of Riga as I will be in terrible peril if the Dvina river line breaks. But that’s all for the future.

Phack
12/07/2009, 23:02
Curti essas flechas de movimentação!
Mas AK 47 em pesquisa? haha

Eu gostava mais qdo a cor da província inteira mudava... Detesto esses riscos do EUIII

Lt. Rasczak
12/07/2009, 23:36
Eu gostava mais qdo a cor da província inteira mudava... Detesto esses riscos do EUIII



Idem eu... detesto esses riscos do EUIII........

nigo
13/07/2009, 05:05
se vcs olharem um mapa mundi da decada de 40, vão ver o mapa cheio de riscos :lol::lol::lol:



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Chapter five: Fall back on the Stalin line



A front wide reshuffle is in order as my unengaged forces try to find their positions as fast as possible. In the south I am lucky as the Germans don’t attack in full force and I can extract a good part of my troops to the main line of defence. You can see the void north-west of Odessa, in the marshes and south of Riga. The last one is filled in pretty quickly. The marshes will have to slow down the Germans all by themselves and I am preparing for a limited counter-attack on the Odessa front.
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The extraction battles get worse and worse as I try to move my troops away from the blitzkrieg as fast as possible. The main plan is not to get them surrounded and at the same time hamper the German assault for as long as possible. Both tasks aren’t easy when your enemy is faster then you.

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North of Brest-Litovsk, near Varana, on the border, a counterattack is made to keep open the line of retreat of Govorov Corps. The attack is a success and we throw back Bohme’s infantry division form its exposed position. It can’t be called more then a local success but it shows our troops have the will to fight at the necessary moments. More then 80% of all other combats on the front are lost however, and our troops are slowly retreating.

nigo
13/07/2009, 05:05
se vcs olharem um mapa mundi da decada de 40, vão ver o mapa cheio de riscos :lol::lol::lol:



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Chapter five: Fall back on the Stalin line



A front wide reshuffle is in order as my unengaged forces try to find their positions as fast as possible. In the south I am lucky as the Germans don’t attack in full force and I can extract a good part of my troops to the main line of defence. You can see the void north-west of Odessa, in the marshes and south of Riga. The last one is filled in pretty quickly. The marshes will have to slow down the Germans all by themselves and I am preparing for a limited counter-attack on the Odessa front.
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The extraction battles get worse and worse as I try to move my troops away from the blitzkrieg as fast as possible. The main plan is not to get them surrounded and at the same time hamper the German assault for as long as possible. Both tasks aren’t easy when your enemy is faster then you.

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North of Brest-Litovsk, near Varana, on the border, a counterattack is made to keep open the line of retreat of Govorov Corps. The attack is a success and we throw back Bohme’s infantry division form its exposed position. It can’t be called more then a local success but it shows our troops have the will to fight at the necessary moments. More then 80% of all other combats on the front are lost however, and our troops are slowly retreating.

nigo
13/07/2009, 12:50
Chapter six: showing my teeth, The Odessa front part I



I have refrained posting pictures of the Odessa front so far as I wanted to depict this battle in some more detail. The battle started on July 22nd as soon as the German and Rumanian forces crossed and was one of the most interesting I have played so far in HOI3. As the German forces rumbled across the border in the west their counterparts moved north into Soviet occupied Bessarabia Their allies, the Rumanians advanced on both sides of the strong German army. Directly in the path of the German forces were two Soviet divisions, which attempted to hold their ground. On the Black sea coast another of my divisions was stationed but this one withdrew to more a more favourable position as soon as the vengeful Rumanian troops crossed the border.

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I wasn’t so much afraid for the Rumanian troops as I doubted their quality and thought I could overwhelm them with superior numbers if the need would arise. My worries however were with the Fritz’s armoured corps, which was able to rumble through the huge gaps in my line at will. And so they did.
More to the west of the defensive area around Odessa there was nothing but emptiness, all the way to the Hungarian border and beyond. Was Stavka thinking the Carpathian Mountains would hold back the enemy? Because they didn’t.

From the Crimea, Kiev and beyond the Dnjepr I quickly send in reinforcements to plug the biggest gap in my lines. If I wouldn’t the enemy would be able to encircle Odessa quickly, depriving me of it’s airfield and Black Sea port. Next on their schedule would be a crossing of the Dnjepr and the capture of Kiev. And thus even the Orel Front reserves were called in. These troops hadn’t been mobilized yet, had organisation and strength but I might well need them if the Odessa front can’t hold the line.
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The three corps’ in Odessa are split up. Two of them will dig in and defend their namesake city while the mechanized corps (two armoured, one motorized and one cavalry divisions) moves to the west of the defensive front, which is created. If the German spearhead crashes through the thinly held front they will win time by counterattacking them from the flank.

Two corps dig in in the province of Illiohivsk, due south of Odessa. While the corps stationed on the coast retreats to this position as well. Not without taking casualties alas. The first enemy spearhead already flanks them and races to the north. In Tiraspol Kutyshkov’s corps’ distract themselves from the onrushing enemy forces and encirclement with difficulty. Our men are not outfought but outmanoeuvred and now it will depend on speed if my divisions will survive.

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Due to a Rumanian lack of vigour the corps stationed on the coast is able to escape the trap prepared for it in the end. Losses are considerable but at least the divisions are saved to fight another day inside the trenches in front of Odessa.

Kutyshkov’s troops are now in serious peril. Having retreated some 50 kilometres in the last few days of battle they are unable to hold back an entire German army assailing them from the south and eastern flank. But, unfortunately, they will have to keep fighting, as the Odessa front is still not ready for a proper defence. Casualties, however, mount at an alarming rate and the battle is seriously going against them.
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Harpia
13/07/2009, 13:57
Bison,


é uma AAR para apresentar o jogo mesmo

e nao fomos chamados por causa do alto indice de pirateiros por aqui :lol:

Que isso... :P

Sr. Bison
13/07/2009, 17:30
Ótima AAR para colhermos informações sobre o jogo Nigo, vamos ver como esse nooba toma pau do AI.

nigo
14/07/2009, 16:37
Chapter seven: a desperate fight



To the west the Stalin line is taking shape and I can finally order the Western Front to withdraw from the punishing blows of the German army. At the place where the German and Hungarian borders meet no ground has been lost yet and only now the Germans start hitting my lines. Unknown to me at the moment I will have to fight for this place once more in less then a month. Not to defend it but to recapture it in a desperate attempt to save the better part of an army. I withdraw my flanks but the distance I have to cover to the Stalin line is further then the ground the Germans and Hungarians have to capture. Once my frontline is broken there is nothing to hold them back for as much as 100 kilometres. Within a week the situation will be considerable worsened by the advance of the supposedly weak Hungarian forces.
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Further to the north the fighting is hard. Almost every battle is lost and my losses are always 1.5 to twice as high as those of the Germans. Even though my forces outnumber theirs most of the time. I am doing better then the Soviets did IRL however, holding back the onrushing German panzers for more then ten days and having only lost 30-50 km’s of ground.

As the 21st corps illustrates the losses for this ‘minor defensive success’ are huge. Within ten days 32% of their soldiers are casualties. Which amounts to 9,000 out of 39,000. An astonishing figure.
Before long the 4th corps, 3rd Armies second corps, will take over from them and cover the retreat of the nearly shattered forces. To make matters worse five Fliegerkorps’ start bombing and straffing the 21st, seriously hampering their withdrawal.
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Here, in the area the 21st will retreat to, three corps’ of Stavka reserves have taken position. They are at only 1/3 strength and still mobilizing but I hope the terrain, the western reaches of the Pripjet marches, will grant them the time they need to build strength.

If we now take a look at the entire central front we can see a good defensive line shaping up. Western Front units will have to withdraw behind this protective screen as good as they can and proceed to take up positions within the line when they are fit enough to do so. Again the same problem plagues me however, the enemy advances quicker then my troops are able to withdraw.

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Quite a difference from the HOI2 tactical and strategic depth, these battles, ain’t it?

nigo
14/07/2009, 16:38
Chapter eight: The vast Expanses of the USSR



Let’s start with some pictures of the major redeployment of my forces in the east and on the Iran border. Of the later about a third is sent towards the Odessa front while the army is spread out along the Turkish and Iranian border, from the Caspian to the Black Seas.

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In the Far East a major reshuffling is in place. Four armies, some small, others large are stationed on the border. Two of these are entrained and sent west as quickly as possible. I might well need these troops for some upcoming counterattacks in October and November. There are no illusions these troops will arrive earlier.

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Then a pic that might interest you a lot as it gives a good overview of the current state of Europe.
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And a little ‘teaser’ to end this small (but pic-heavy) chapter.
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nigo
15/07/2009, 11:53
Chapter nine: The battle for Riga, Part I




Lithuania was already lost before the first gun was fired. An indefensible place it was and so hardly any troops were stationed there. It was the river Dvina Stavka eyed as their main line of resistance. We would build our main defence in front of it and then slowly retreat to the river line when commanders saw fit to do so. There was but one place designated for defence west of the river; Fortress Riga.
Baltic Front had designated it as the hinge of their defence. First we would stop the enemy on the river line, and then sweep him away from it. Once our forces had been build up sufficiently. Or,, so was the plan, wise or valiant as it might be.
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The void left when Western front broke apart or retreated was quickly filled with onrushing German troops. It was here as well the first Soviet divisions shattered under the weight of the enemy.
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Then, at last, the enemy launched their offensive against Riga, holes were punched in the line but Red soldiers rushed in to plug them and throw the German troops out of the suburbs. The Baltic fleet moored in the gulf of Riga but was unfortunately unable to support the defence.
Assailed from three provinces casualties mounted.
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Further and further our troops were pushed back into the city, the centre was lost, preparations were made for a gradual withdraw across the Dvina. But then, at the very last moment, when the battle was going against us, reinforcements arrived.
An entire mechanized corps was drawn from the line and accompanied by three infantry divisions send on to Riga. Riga’s defence was doubled in size, 150.000 troops fought the enemy to a standstill. The lines on the Dvina had been cannibalized but for now the city was saved.
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nigo
15/07/2009, 11:54
Chapter ten: STAVKA reporting

The second week of July, a Stavka meeting, Moscow.


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And let's not forget an overview of the strength of my frontline:

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nigo
15/07/2009, 11:54
Chapter eleven: Carnage on the Central Front, part I





On the Central Front the July battles reached their climax and it was here Stavka’s plan to utilize the vastness of Russia received its first setback.

Fighters and close-support aircrafts attempted vigorously to aid their retreating comrades. Heading straight for Minsk, refitting and some rest after more then three weeks of harsh combat, the Soviet troops withdrew as fast as they could. But, being fast was not enough, the western reaches of the marshlands and lack of a proper infrastructure seriously impeded their movement.
The lines were broken and for the first time a retreat turned into a rout.

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More to the north the Soviet Airforce was send out to impede the enemy advance for as long as possible. By doing so even more troops stationed on the Dvina line and just south of it would be available as reinforcements for the central front.
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At this moment, the last two weeks of July, our troops were exposed in a large bulge just to the northwest of the marshes. Retreat was the worth of the day, no more gradual withdraw, just retreat on the Stalin line and beyond.

It was clear by now my central front was bearing the brunt of the assault. Luck was on my side as their focal point was my strongest part of the line. What had ensued here was chaos and carnage but the battles on this point also one of the main reasons for the a-historic slow march of the Germans. Don’t get me wrong, they marched quicker then my troops but not quick enough.

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To my surprise the situation quickly detoriated. Troops withdrawing were overtaken, moved the other way and then bypassed by oncoming Germans.
By now it was clear the enemy had refrained from creating large panzergoups to puncture big holes and instead relied on smaller forces to pierce my line at a dozen points. This strategy worked if you have only limited goals but directive Barabrossa had nothing like that in mind.

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Sauron
15/07/2009, 12:33
Counter é um saco pra ler os nomes da províncias, além disso tem HQ pra todo lado. Eu não estou entendendo isto, eles aumentaram stupidamente o número de HQ's?

Fora isso o cara vai tomar pau feio da AI, kkkk

Sr. Bison
15/07/2009, 13:31
O cara é um nooba, tomar pau pra AI é muito feio. MAs Sauron se vc ver o número de divisões dele é algo em torno de 1145, como cada tropa possui várias divisões, eu presumo que no que concerne ao HQ , ele simplesmente fez um HQ e colocou mais alguma divisão junto com ele, se é que colocou, como o ícone HQ predomina, sobre os outros ícones quando presentes numa mesma tropa e como o HQ deve estar bem mais barato, ele deve ter feito vários ou o cenário mesmo começou assim.

Outra coisa: 50% mais de IC, power hein, política absurda.
50% mais de manpower, junto com draft army + 25% de doutrina de guerrilha do ministro. A URSS só tem um boost de uns 85% - 90% de manpower ... só isso ... rs.

Boris
15/07/2009, 14:41
E eu achando que ele tinha, sei lá, 300 divisões pelo tanto de buracos na linha...

Que façanha ter 1145 divisões e tomar pau.

O HQ com certeza tá bem mais barato, dá pra ver pelas outras screens tb. Sempre um número alto de HQ.

.NeRi.
15/07/2009, 16:03
Não são mil e tantas divisões, tá mais pra mil e tantas brigadas, reparem que na mesma tabela existem dados referentes a AT, AA, AC e Art, que não são divisões e sim brigadas.

nigo
15/07/2009, 16:03
1145 deve ser o total de brigadas e nao divisões


dividam 1145 por 3 ou 4 brigadas por divisão é o numero de divisões que ele tem no total.......

nigo
15/07/2009, 16:16
Here is an overview of German forces:

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Sauron
15/07/2009, 17:46
Here is an overview of German forces:

[URL]http://i30.tinypic.com/vrrpms.jpg
Japão over esse hein?

No mais, GER tá com uma proporção muito alta de Infantaria em relação aos outros tipos de unidades, e de acordo com as screens do AAR, em combat o loss ratio de units é de 1 alemã pra cada 1,5 russa.

Mesmo com o cara jogando mal, não vejo como a Alemanha tenha como suportar esse dreno de manpower.

Uma coisa que achei irado, mas esqueci de comentar, são os resume das battle, dizendo as casualidades para cada lado, excelente essa novidade! :up:

Sr. Bison
15/07/2009, 23:07
1145 deve ser o total de brigadas e nao divisões


dividam 1145 por 3 ou 4 brigadas por divisão é o numero de divisões que ele tem no total.......

Como dizia o Chaves ... Isso, Isso, Issoo ... Eu fiz uma salada toda, ta certo mesmo Neri, é brigada e não divisão ...
Eu misturei tudo ... rsrs qdo falei "como cada tropa possui várias divisões" , o certo é: como cada divisão possui várias brigadas.

Sr. Bison
15/07/2009, 23:16
Esse resume das battles vai dar mais noção mesmo de como anda a campanha em geral.

Eu também achei que esse ratio de KIAs favorece a URSS, mas o negócio é esse mesmo. Sauron, sabe aqueles confrontos violentos no front leste qdo por exemplo 90 alemães enfrentam 140 soviéticas ? E qdo ambos persistem no combate ciclando tropas, segurando posição, enfiando na retaguarda pra assegurar o recuo, colocando bombers etc, e o combate prossegue dia e noite, imagina depois de uma semana o resume de uma batalha dessas.

Eu acho que algumas batalhas no front leste como no HOI 2, vão arrancar mais manpower que toda a campanha da França.

nigo
16/07/2009, 12:43
Chapter twelve: Carnage on the Central Front, part II



Everything was now set on getting the troops out of their exposed position. All of a sudden the enemy had Blitzed forward taking 50 km’s in a short period. This move left two armies in shambles, some of their units down to 50% of their initial fighting force. Here it was the 21st and 1st infantry corps’s, the 6th cavalry corps and parts of the 6th and 13th Mechanized were in danger of being encircled. Even though the later two had suffered over 25% of casualties they would make up the main part of the relieve force when things would turn out bad later on.

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Small scale counterattacks, even when successful could not prevent the ongoing trend of defeats in the central sector. Eventually the battle of Radan, although a small fight in comparison, would start the disaster, which was about to happen.

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This had not been the first fight fought at Radun, the province had been fought over for almost a week and after our initial defensive force had been thrown out we had paid the German spearhead in kind. Now the fight was over and shattered the defenders withdrew east.
Leaving the third and tenth army behind in peril.

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Having lost the vital province, nothing stood in the path of the Germans but the broken and retreating remains of the 3rd and 10th army. The first attack of the enemy was a bit opportunistic but before long the pocket would be closed.

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nigo
16/07/2009, 12:43
Chapter thirteen: The Parechcha pocket




The main task at hand was to free the embattled troops from their imminent encirclement. This had to be done with a lot of force or it would not succeed at all. Even if we would succeed in our mission and free the 3rd and 10th army from imminent destruction there was a huge chance of my forces being spent afterwards.

Gorelen’s 17 mechanized corps was handed the task, supported by the 4th infantry and several unattached armoured divisions (from the 13th and 6th mech). Assault group “Wilno”, as Gorelen’t force would be called was composed of a total of 16 divisions, their general strength being 80-85%.
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On the morning July 23rd General Gorelen launched his relief force. Although no relief force yet, as the 3rd and 10th armies were not encircled, they would be soon, the troops holding the last road out of the pocket being too weak to stop the next attack.
Several hundred tanks rolled towards the east and quickly battered the German spearhead, being Boltzen’s 12th panzerdivision.

The 12th was able to retreat to safety however, Gorelen being on its heels. At that moment news reached the commander of the Parechcha –pocket. 9 units were encircled amongst them the HQ’s of the 6th and 13rd mechanized corps, the parent units of the divisions trying to relieve them. Four other units and three HQ’s just escaped from the pocket at the very last moment.
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Radun was won but then the German forces at Varena had to been defeated in order to break the ring of steel. 10 armoured and 7 infantry divisions battled the German VIII Korps and 3rd Panzergruppe; 12 infantry and one panzerdivision. 165.000 Soviet troops vs. 112.000 Germans. We outnumbered them in men and material. But did not break through.
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All the while the battle for Parechcha raged to the southwest. The encircled force of 70.000 was quickly dwindling to less then 50.000. Shells and bombs fell and turned confusion into chaos. In Gorelen’s rear the industrial center of Wilno fell to the enemy and now it was his force, which was in danger of being encircled. They pushed back the enemy a few hundred meters every day but it was too little, too late.
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Gorelen halted his attack, ordered a withdraw and made sure he didn’t come back himself.
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Out of 70.000 defenders in the Parechcha pocket 15.000 died in combat. The HQ’s of the 6th and 13th mechanized would never command their divisions again. Divisions, which were now, not only spend but low on morale as well. They had failed.

Late on August the 1st Western Air command flew its last sortie in support of the trapped men. The battered units ended up in combat over Parechcha but below them all was quiet.
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.NeRi.
16/07/2009, 12:58
Bem legal, só não entendi o que aconteceu com o pessoal do bolsão, ele disse que de 70, 15 mil morreram, e o resto? se renderam?

Sr. Bison
17/07/2009, 01:09
O cara é absurdamente noob ... pelo amor de Deus, ele insiste em liberar o iminente pocket, e teve muita chance de puxar o carro, mas não ... ele queria porque queria sustentar a posição ganhando no norte.

Perdeu no norte ... naturalmente, usou ajuda do sul enfraquecendo o pocket de lá e perdeu mesmo assim, as tropas ficaram mais fracas no sul, tomou encirclement noobesco e da AI ... bah ! E de infs ... poxa tomar encirclement de uma coluna forte de panzer é uma coisa, mas tomar de um bando de infs ... tsc tsc .

Na real, o cara quer defender a URSS usando a mesmo forma de defesa de uma Alemanha ou França ... É defesa em profundidade, dá vontade de gritar pro nooba, Defense in Dééééééeph !!! Dickhead ! Olha a quantidade de território que o cara pode perder, a quantidade de oportunidades de ficar martelando e martelando, drenando o MP, e ativando os eventos do urso, mas não ... bah ! Pra ganhar da Alemanha numa Barbarossa, vc precisa deixar a Alemanha ir se enveredando na URSS e vender caro cada cm, bater no MP, bater no MP e bater de novo, vc não precisa ganhar uma batalha sequer, desde que recue com coordenação mantenha uma ratio boa, e sempre, mas sempre entre em batalhas grandes, que desgastam o MP e o strengh, bata por bater. Qdo o MP alemão for drenado 200 ou mais por mês ele vai ver o tamanho do Elefante Branco que está comprando.

Outra coisa, só ficar esperto na primavera, pq se chegar outono, e o alemão não tiver avançado muito, não vai ser na lameira e na neve que ele vai ... e vai por mim, lutar contra a URSS, cuspindo infs com art e AT, na neve é um pesadelo logístico, sem falar da infraestrutura soviética que só ahavia nos mapas alemães.

Sr. Bison
17/07/2009, 01:12
PS: se esse cara vencer o AI, vai ser o atestado que qualquer um defende e pior ainda, o atestado pra vc pensar duas vezes antes de fazer uma Barbarossa, para não ficar numa situação periclitante ! rs

Né Sauron, eu e vc acompanhamos com carinho essa AAR ;)

nigo
17/07/2009, 11:44
Chapter fourteen: showing my teeth, The Odessa front part II



We will look back a bit now while I recount the events of the Battles on the Odessa front. As you have perhaps gathered I am fighting three battles at the same time but did not want to mix them up in this AAR with one another. So, from my loss in the Parechcha pocket we will take a look at the more glorious battles West of Odessa.

When we left the Germans were breaking through our barely existing lines, their Rumanian allies keeping our troops south of Odessa busy. It was early July.

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Now, my plan here is rather risky but born out of necessity. As I lack the troops to create a coherent defence I will attempt a little blitzkrieg myself. The plan is to bring together all supporting divisions of the part of the Stalin line west of Kiev and let them strike deep into Rumanian territory. Then hammering them in the back of the combined German and Rumanian army while using the forces defending Odessa, my only strong infantry force in the area, as the anvil.

As any plan in war, this one does not go as I want it to from the start.
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I had expected them to do so earlier on but still my plan was thwarted right away when a German corps rolled straight around the end of my Odessa line. Luck was on my side however as the troops I had held ready for the offensive were closer then their support. And while the Germans moved in half a Rumanian army to widen the gap and exploit the breach I countered and cut it off.
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Now, I can call myself a lucky bugger, as I didn’t have anything to stop them with. Two of my reserve corps’s were yet to be reinforced and the division from the Crimea wouldn’t arrive in several weeks. Had it not been for my planned counteroffensive Kiev would have been in danger.

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nigo
17/07/2009, 11:45
olha o mega pocket que esse cara vai levar :lol:

Boris
17/07/2009, 13:44
Uma coisa que achei irado, mas esqueci de comentar, são os resume das battle, dizendo as casualidades para cada lado, excelente essa novidade! :up:

Isso vem do Europa Universalis, assim como os riscos nas provincias ocupadas.


Bem legal, só não entendi o que aconteceu com o pessoal do bolsão, ele disse que de 70, 15 mil morreram, e o resto? se renderam?

Devem ter se rendido, já que ele posta que o HQ nunca mais comandará essas divisões.


O cara é absurdamente noob ... pelo amor de Deus, ele insiste em liberar o iminente pocket, e teve muita chance de puxar o carro, mas não ... ele queria porque queria sustentar a posição ganhando no norte.

Perdeu no norte ... naturalmente, usou ajuda do sul enfraquecendo o pocket de lá e perdeu mesmo assim, as tropas ficaram mais fracas no sul, tomou encirclement noobesco e da AI ... bah ! E de infs ... poxa tomar encirclement de uma coluna forte de panzer é uma coisa, mas tomar de um bando de infs ... tsc tsc .

Muito burro mesmo. Teve n chances de salvar as divisões. Sem contar que tá tomando esse pau dos alemães que tem 0 brigadas.

Tomara que a AI não perca pra esse cara, que ela tenha evoluido um pouco. Ou que ele esteja jogando no VERY EASY sei lá.



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Pra que a AI foi fazer isso? Será que ela tem nego pra segurar essa cabeça ai? Se bem que dá pra ver tropas vindo do sul pra reforçar.

Vocês perceberam que na lista de unidades não tem mais o número de HQs? To meio intrigado pra saber como isso tá funcionando ao certo.

Uma coisa que não entendi, por que tanto buraco nas linhas?

Sr. Bison
17/07/2009, 20:24
Ele devia deixar mais pockets e mais buracos pra Alemanha entrar, mas é noob, vai querer defender cm por cm da URSS ...

nigo
18/07/2009, 16:31
Chapter fifteen: showing my teeth, The Odessa front part III




An armoured blocking force thrown in front the battle for the breach could start.
The battle lasted for three days and was rather bloody. But when I did prevail I cut off a German corps and stamped it into the Soviet soil. Too bad chaps!
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As you might have seen this little counter halted my offensive for almost a week. I even lost some ground due to it. Reorganisation was needed before I could draw together the three corps and strike.
Finally, in the evening of July 20th, the assault got rolling. Assault group “Laskin”, composed of 10 armoured and 4 motorized infantry divisions attacked into the gap at Sorocca, leaving Rumanian troops to the left and right. Unfortunately the attack went in piecemeal but orders were orders.

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At the same time a new German attack, west of Odessa, had put enough weight on the Soviet lines to make them crack. Retreating troops gave ground and yet another emergency would impede Laskin’s offensive. Having to divert about half of his attack force to meet the contingency he nevertheless ordered the attack to proceed.
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North of Orhei, Odessa front’s mechanized corps, which had participated in the destruction of a German infantry corps, set out to counter the new threat. At the same time more and more troops of “Assault Group Laskin” engaged in combat with the Rumanian divisions near Soroca. What had been supposed to be an easy battle turned out to be a hard-fought one, the ideas of a blitzkrieg would have to be put aside for now.
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Some 70 kilometres to the north the second attack of the offensive hit home. This one more successful from the start but a tough fight all the same. Laskin had seriously underestimated the Rumanian fighting prowess.
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At the same time, just west of Odessa, the situation detoriated more and more. Odessa’s mechanized corps was defeated and no fresh divisions were in the immediate vicinity of the breach in the line. The situation was roughly the same as four weeks previously. With one difference though; “Assault Group Laskin” was finannly about to break through.


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nigo
18/07/2009, 16:32
Chapter sixteen: showing my teeth, The Odessa front part IV




Just over a week into the offensive, the news finally was positive. Over the last two days “Assault Group Laskin” had pushed aside the weakened Rumanian corps in its front and started to advance into their rear, making ground quickly.
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At the same time Odessa front was having its hands full with the Orhei gap. Their main line of defence had not been assailed yet, instead the Axis troops had attempted to outflank the positions by attacking the weaker forces to the west. The 35th corps was thrown in front of the enemies march in an attempt to counter the threat. Not being able to completely halt the offensive they at least could slow down the advance of those 6 enemy divisions for as long as possible. Casualties mounted however but the news of the Soviet breakthrough stiffened morale. “Just hold a bit longer and the enemy will be attacked from the rear.”

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As “Assault Group Laskin” covered more and more ground, their attack almost resembling a blitzkrieg, their rear became threatened. An infantry corps was moved to support it in the rear. More to the east however we were repaid in kind. Here the situation was about a mirror image of Laskin’s breakthrough with the Soviet front in shambles. Still the stubborn general was able to persuade Odessa Front he would eliminate the threat within two weeks. Stavka gave him until the 10th of August, nine days. And thus the general ordered his armoured divisions, which had taken 20% casualties so far into the attack. No longer to the east, no, to the north!

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Two days later Laskin’s honour was saved when he was successful with his second assault, more to the north. The Rumanian front was broken and several divisions destroyed in the process. At the same time his daring operation was more and more succesfull. Now only more troops had to be found and Laskin’s life would be saved.

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Sr. Bison
01/08/2009, 04:56
Artnus , até vc que odeia a URSS , depois dessa AAR, consegue derrotar a AI sem grandes dificuldades.

nigo
02/08/2009, 12:51
parece que a AI da URSS está meia zuada nessa versão que o cara testou

era uma versão alpha/beta


pelo o que disseram no forum da Paradox, a AI da URSS agora está legal.

Boris
02/08/2009, 17:15
Tomara que tenham melhorado a AI muito. Na boa, tá parecendo a AI pastelona do vanilla de HoI2.